Loperamide to help with Subutex withdrawal?

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Loperamide to help with Subutex withdrawal?

Postby headcase1029 » Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:20 pm

Hello, I am a newbie here and I am thrilled to find this forum. I have been on Subutex for 7 years and I have tried to quit numerous times to no avail. I decided to give it one more go since hearing that Loperamide can help during the withdrawal process. I am 7 days off of Sub and I'm feeling alright- some nasal issues, mental issues, and feeling shitty in the mornings, but SO MUCH BETTER than when I tried going "cold turkey". I also jumped off at 8mgs this time...I was wondering if anyone has any success with using Loperamide during the withdrawal process and if there has to be a taper off point and how and when should I start this process...thank you so much for any feedback- Tonya
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Re: Loperamide to help with Subutex withdrawal?

Postby cheeps » Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:46 pm

Tonya....you sound like one of the better cases of sub detox...jumping off at 8mgs after 7 years is usually very hard to do. We like to hear about people that aren't as affected by it. Count yourself lucky as HELL. Most peeps here taper down to mere crumbs to mitigate w/d's.

Loperdine...take double the dose every 6 to 8 hours. If you feel you need less...go lower...need more? take triple. If you get stopped up...and want to continue the use (as it does help with other issues besides the runs), let it wear off for a half a day or take stool softeners, not laxatives.

I took it for about 8-10 days and then tapered off in a few days. If you don't take it for very long, you shouldn't have issues coming off. A small percent of peeps get jangled but that doesn't happen to often.

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Re: Loperamide to help with Subutex withdrawal?

Postby headcase1029 » Tue Apr 03, 2012 7:32 am

Thank you so much for your reply. I'm pretty shocked that I haven't been feeling too bad as of late since usually when stopping Sub, I start to feel bad after about 36 hours after my last 8mg dose. I have a doctors appt on Thursday and am suppose to get another 2 weeks worth of Sub(14 8mg doses), however I cannot see myself going now since I have been doing fairly well, I would hate to get back on it after being off of it pretty much 10 days by Thursday. I will definately try the taper you suggested as I do not want to be addicted to Loperamide in the least....once again, thanks for your reply, I appreciate all the support I can get right now :)
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Re: Loperamide to help with Subutex withdrawal?

Postby xenofears » Tue Apr 03, 2012 9:48 am

I jumped off about 12mg's after 10 years, and I didn't feel the full brunt of what I just did for at least a month. I don't mean to be a downer, I'm just saying....

I'd suggest sticking to the Lope for a while... I doubt it will be difficult to come off compared to Subs at least. I did not use it.
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Re: Loperamide to help with Subutex withdrawal?

Postby tw15t3d » Tue Apr 03, 2012 9:55 am

Hey head,
Damn that is pretty brave of you! How is the sleep?
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Re: Loperamide to help with Subutex withdrawal?

Postby headcase1029 » Tue Apr 03, 2012 2:47 pm

Well damn, I feel better now xeno ;).....tw, the sleep is going alright for now apparently. I actually have been sleeping alot, good thing I'm off of work for a few days :) Usually if I haven't had a sub in a couple days I have trouble sleeping, so I have to give Loperamide it's due credit because I believe it has really helped. Now I'm extremely worried how I will feel in another week...
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Re: Loperamide to help with Subutex withdrawal?

Postby cheeps » Tue Apr 03, 2012 2:51 pm

Hey...don't stress....just take what you read as education....just in case.

DO NOT take anymore...you be soooo much better off staying clean from it.

Don't be tempted...you will get through it.

Stick around and post how you feel and we'll help you understand your symptoms/wd's.
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Re: Loperamide to help with Subutex withdrawal?

Postby headcase1029 » Tue Apr 03, 2012 3:01 pm

Oh I'm def taking it all in, I have heard of ppl feeling shitty for months and months when they get off of sub, so I totally understand what Xeno said. I'm just frightened to death that the worst is yet to come for me as well. I will try to not be tempted to see my doc on Thursday. It just sucks ass that I know I can get them then if I really wanted to. My problem was with subs was me taking more than I should and then I always ran out early, so every week I was going at least 3-4 days without any(when I was recieving a week supply at once), then came the whole getting 2 weeks worth at a time and I'd go a week without anything...so I just know me and how I am and I know I will be in the same shit boat I'm always in if I go to the doc on Thursday, so I'd rather not have to...hopefully I won't feel any worse, time will tell...thanks...*Tonya*
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Re: Loperamide to help with Subutex withdrawal?

Postby tw15t3d » Tue Apr 03, 2012 3:47 pm

Hey Tonya,
Your WD situation looks very good, but I have never jumped off that high of mg..so I really don't have the advice for that. Try not to be tempted, as you seem to be in luck so far, and every WD is different, EVERY WD...even ones the same person has...but if you feel much worse than now, and do decide to go to the sub doc, would your Sub doc help you quit if you ask?
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Re: Loperamide to help with Subutex withdrawal?

Postby headcase1029 » Tue Apr 03, 2012 3:53 pm

Hopefully it will go well, I'm keeping my fingers crossed...Oh my sub doctor- well, I still attend a clinic type of setting and they def. don't want me getting off anytime soon, they are making too much money on me(with the counseling every 2 weeks and the medication I pay for weekly but recieve every 2 weeks). I have meantioned to this place before that I wanted to taper down but to no avail...they wouldn't make as much $ if I did that, so it really blows. thank you for your words of encouragement, they mean more than you know :)
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Re: Loperamide to help with Subutex withdrawal?

Postby tw15t3d » Tue Apr 03, 2012 3:54 pm

That's some BS. Well luck is on your side..don't go back to them! I hope you make it to the other side..I think you will!
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Re: Loperamide to help with Subutex withdrawal?

Postby headcase1029 » Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:46 pm

Thank you...It's really great knowing you're not alone in this nightmare... :)
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Re: Loperamide to help with Subutex withdrawal?

Postby cheeps » Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:08 pm

Headcase.....it is a nightmare!!!
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Re: Loperamide to help with Subutex withdrawal?

Postby headcase1029 » Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:54 pm

indeed...i wish i could warn any and all ppl deciding to use this shit :/
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Re: Loperamide to help with Subutex withdrawal?

Postby cheeps » Wed Apr 04, 2012 2:31 am

headcase1029 wrote:indeed...i wish i could warn any and all ppl deciding to use this shit :/



stick around....we sometimes get people that have just started and they seem to listen.
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Re: Loperamide to help with Subutex withdrawal?

Postby headcase1029 » Wed Apr 04, 2012 7:19 am

Oh I def will...I have a quick question(ppl that I have spoken with about this, including my doc doesn't understand this one), why is it that everytime I went through any kind of withdrawal, whether it be from oxys, fentyl, perks, or sub I always had this one horrible nasal issue- everything smells horrible- doesn't matter what it is or where I'm at. Even now being off of sub for 8 days, I still have this symptom. It gets so bad that just from smell alone, I want to vomit- I know we all get that whole runny nose, etc. but this is something different. It's so odd...has anyone else had this issue?
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Re: Loperamide to help with Subutex withdrawal?

Postby CTCheryl » Wed Apr 04, 2012 8:06 am

What about the stinky breath, do you get that?? The smell is coming from you! I know exactly what you mean. Addict stench.
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Re: Loperamide to help with Subutex withdrawal?

Postby tw15t3d » Wed Apr 04, 2012 9:57 am

headcase1029 wrote:Oh I def will...I have a quick question(ppl that I have spoken with about this, including my doc doesn't understand this one), why is it that everytime I went through any kind of withdrawal, whether it be from oxys, fentyl, perks, or sub I always had this one horrible nasal issue- everything smells horrible- doesn't matter what it is or where I'm at. Even now being off of sub for 8 days, I still have this symptom. It gets so bad that just from smell alone, I want to vomit- I know we all get that whole runny nose, etc. but this is something different. It's so odd...has anyone else had this issue?



Hey I'm sorry to hear all this..I never had this problem. I do have chronic sinus issues that got worse after I quit, but I take Claritin. Sometimes if it gets really bad, I take pseudoephedrine(the one behind the pharmacy), which clear things up pretty good.

It sounds like maybe you might have a sinus infection, which can cause and odor, you might want to see a doctor, or maybe an ear, nose, and throat specialist.
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Re: Loperamide to help with Subutex withdrawal?

Postby Justjules13 » Wed Apr 04, 2012 10:13 am

I copied this from another drug forum...J




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Re: why does everything smell so wretched during withdrawal?
In a nutshell, opiates significantly depress the rhinal (and to a much lesser degree the entorhinal) cortex deep in the brain, just above and forward of the "alligator brain" named the hypothalamus, a part of the limbic system. Anyhow, any portion of the CNS devoted to olfaction, from the olfactory bulb to several different destinations, the important one being the piriform cortex, where "smell" is processed, is functionally depressed. I agree that Fentanyl severely depresses olfaction, because I too notice within 24 hours of application that all smells are much less pungent. I also notice my cigarette intake increase by 250% (because they no longer stink). Hope this helps.

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Re: Loperamide to help with Subutex withdrawal?

Postby SoCal » Wed Apr 04, 2012 11:35 am

Hmm,,ive always had that happen to me but first ive seen anyone post about it,,i used to have a severe infection in my sinus's and eventually it turned into a like tumor in my sinus cavity,,they tried flusing it out with no succes,,so they took me out of prison to a surgeon,,he said they could only do this one time,,so id be in trouble if it ever came back,,i already built an immunity to all antibiotics tryin to fix the problem,,but in the end,,they cut under my lip and pulled my freakin face up and drilled a hole in my cheek bone in order to remove the tumor like thing!,,then sewed my face back down!,,lol,,you cant tell it was ever done,,but the hole never healed all the way closed,,its not a problem,,ya cant see it ,,but i can feel the hole,,
anywat i smelled alot of bad smells,,mostly like an amonia smell,,but during wd's i have had the smells come back and they are similar to the infection smells,,and its nasty .,,i rember i diddent want them drillin on my face so the night before i stayed up all night at the sink cuppin my hands under faucet and suckin as much water as i could through my nose!,,and made them take an x-ray before i would go,,and they did,,they showed me where i had gotten rid of alot of the infection ,,but the little ball like thing still showed up,,luckily,, ive never had a problem again,
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