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floater
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 Posted - 03/09/2010 : 1:31:55 PM
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| I cant get below 2mg. no matter how hard i try. So three days ago I stopped taking the sub. I had some SAO laying around so I took those for two days until I ran out. Now I have a bunch ok Kratom leaf that I am going to take for around 60 days. I am not going to take ANY extracts at all just leaf. This is the only way I can do it I feel powerless to the sub. I plan on tapering the Kratom as much as I can. From what I have read the withdrawals from the Kratom are not as bad as the ones from the sub. I can tolerate several bad days, but not weeks of them. I know Kratom is a touchy subject on this board that is why I posted it here, and not in the main forum. Any advice would be much appreciated. |
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mimiluv
Local Fixture
Cuba
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Posted - 03/09/2010 : 1:59:30 PM
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| Sounds like a plan, this is actually how I did it. I used SAO's for 10 days and then Kratom for about 20 days. I don't think you need to use the K for 60 days, that's just over kill and you'll end up w/ another monkey on your back. When you stop the K you're still going to feel like shit for a while, Paws will still be there waiting. Let me know if you need help and I can help you out w/ dosing and the reduction part of the K use. |
Angela
8/26/09 sub free
9/6/09 benzo free
9/27/09 CLEAN!!!
Before you can see the light, you must DEAL with the darkness. |
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4jumper
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USA
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Posted - 03/09/2010 : 2:59:45 PM
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| Hey Floater, congrats on the jump. There are arguments on both sides about using any type of opiate to ease withdrawal post jump. I personally had to feel all of it, in order to knock some sense into myself. I've read a lot of posts here that go the other way on this. If mimi did it, then that's good enough for me. And you're not powerless you've jumped that takes some balls. Good luck to you. P.S. don't worry about where you post anything if anybody screws with your head ignore them. Most don't listen to them anyway they can go piss up a rope... |
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floater
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Posted - 03/09/2010 : 4:32:40 PM
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| I have the Maeng Da Kratom from what I have read it seems to be pretty good. I am just taking a spoonful and then chasing with something that tastes good I dont want to make tea. If anyone has any helpful hint please tell me I would love to hear them. |
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smelllibear
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Posted - 03/09/2010 : 5:01:31 PM
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And from i read the kratom seems to mess people's lives...
With suboxone the withdrawals linger on for a while albeit minor or intense so basically your going to feel the same 3 weeks down the line as you did on the first week so is it really worth taking the kratom for a week?...even with kratom you still feel really shit..trust me i tried it...just look at some people who tried it yet still felt miserable so what difference is that going to make...your better off taking clonidine...i seen too many people mess up their lives over kratom...
p.s could floater be kellibear?...if not then i do apologise...its just that this individual has come on as many screen names and trying to promote her so called miricle cure lol...only so that this indiviual dont feel alone...anyway i wont personally try it...in my opinion its worser then a benzo.... |
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floater
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Posted - 03/09/2010 : 5:12:10 PM
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| No I'm not kellibear, i use the name Floater because I have a sensory deprivation tank, and I have been floating for about ten years now. Even my email has floater in it. I have read all the controversy about her. I try to stay out of the arguments and all the silly shit, but that is why I use the name Floater. |
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arlenewla
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Posted - 03/09/2010 : 6:25:45 PM
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Originally posted by mimiluv
Sounds like a plan, this is actually how I did it. I used SAO's for 10 days and then Kratom for about 20 days. I don't think you need to use the K for 60 days, that's just over kill and you'll end up w/ another monkey on your back. When you stop the K you're still going to feel like shit for a while, Paws will still be there waiting. Let me know if you need help and I can help you out w/ dosing and the reduction part of the K use.
Welcome floater!!
Given that Kratom has the potential for yet one more monkey...then why do it at all? Another "short-cut."
This appears to be circular to me.
Ange...I understand that it worked for you, however...at some point in time...we can't put off the inevitable. WD will be there & so will that no name thing that starts with P and ends with S.
I also believe that expectating to only want to go through it for a few days creates major unrealistic bar. If I used X for, lets say 2 years, then why I think that in a few days or a few weeks the effects of that would be gone?
When it comes to the use of addicting drugs, substitution is still substitution. |
Arlene F.
Exodus from Slavery; 12-25-02 |
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floater
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Posted - 03/09/2010 : 8:18:04 PM
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| My argument for using it is, the withdrawals may be bad but not as long in duration. I researched K a lot and it seems that if you only use the leaf you will only have several bad days, not several bad weeks. I can tolerate that. I read countless accounts and it seems like a good way to detox. I have to get off the sub. I have a lot of it left, and dont want to prolong any more. I am on day four and I take a spoonful every 4-5 hours. I feel fine nothing weird. I had a skydiving accident about two years ago..... You all know the rest. I have a wonderful beautiful life I have to get past this shit. The K seems like the lesser of two evils. Someone once told me when choosing between two evils try the one you havent yet. I juat want pointers to make my journey easier on my K decision, but I also appreciate hearing warnings and different opinions as always thank you guys you all are great. |
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mimiluv
Local Fixture
Cuba
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Posted - 03/09/2010 : 8:20:41 PM
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| Oh, I agree Arlene, that's why you don't really see me talk about HOW I did it. Floater, you're still going to feel like shit, no way around it. But it won't be as bad or intense as going ct off of sub. I put my K in caps, I found how many caps I needed to feel OK, NOT good, just okay. Then I did that for a couple of weeks I think, then after that I took away one cap per dose every couple of days. I dosed about 3 times a day. At first I would still wake up at 1 a.m and need to take some, but then it got better somewhat. I was able to sleep though. I truly believe that I suffered as much as I did is because I pretty much came off of opi's and benzo's at the same time. I would use just plan Bali Kratom. Maeng Da I think is somewhat enhanced. You want it to be as plan as you can get it. You want your receptors to down regulate A LOT!! When you say a spoon full, like a TSP, level or heaping? |
Angela
8/26/09 sub free
9/6/09 benzo free
9/27/09 CLEAN!!!
Before you can see the light, you must DEAL with the darkness. |
Edited by - mimiluv on 03/09/2010 8:21:42 PM |
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floater
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Posted - 03/09/2010 : 8:28:11 PM
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| I think I use a level teaspoon at a time about 4 times a day. I looked up the Maeng Da and it doesnt apear to be enhanced, but it is also about the strongest one naturally occuring. I am a big guy> I am 34 yrs. old 6'3 230. I went with this so I would not need so much of it. Your idea of capping it sounds good the organic all natural flavor of it is nasty. I have to be able to sleep I dont take benzos, but got Valium if it gets too bad, and hopefully will never need them. |
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mimiluv
Local Fixture
Cuba
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Posted - 03/09/2010 : 8:31:04 PM
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The thing w/ using K after sub is you're still going to have some of the left over sub shit to deal w/ afterwards. I am almost 5 1/2 months since my last dose of K and I went through HELLA paws afterwards for at least a healthy couple of months. NO matter how long you use the K for the Paws will still be there waiting, because you're still tickling you receptors w/ the K. It's not a free ride by any means. It WILL soften the acute stage and that is about all.
I am still not 100% but I am getting closer. |
Angela
8/26/09 sub free
9/6/09 benzo free
9/27/09 CLEAN!!!
Before you can see the light, you must DEAL with the darkness. |
Edited by - mimiluv on 03/09/2010 8:32:19 PM |
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mimiluv
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Cuba
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Posted - 03/09/2010 : 8:36:26 PM
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| I have a thread in the General section "I don't like drugs, drugs like me" I hadn't been off of K to long when I started it. You can read all of what I went through after I dropped the K if you want to. |
Angela
8/26/09 sub free
9/6/09 benzo free
9/27/09 CLEAN!!!
Before you can see the light, you must DEAL with the darkness. |
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4jumper
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Posted - 03/09/2010 : 8:51:57 PM
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| Wait dude back up, what are you doing with a sensory deprivation tank? Are you waterboarding prisoner's or something, what's going on over there? I'm just fucking with you.... |
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floater
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Posted - 03/09/2010 : 9:17:56 PM
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| I have been floating since college I love it more than anything in the world if you have not ever tried it i highly recomend it most major ities have a float center. It makes life so positive and new again, I let anyone who want to try it use my tank. I live in Kentucky and some people have tavelled far to try it. |
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4jumper
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Posted - 03/09/2010 : 9:25:41 PM
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| How long do you spend in the tank? Never tried it but heard of it first hand. Some people find it boring, some get freaked out, some love it forthe meditation. I'm not big on meditation, do like a massage, a steam, and a jump in a cold pool now and again though... |
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floater
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Posted - 03/09/2010 : 10:05:27 PM
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I spend about two hours in the tank a day. It forces you into deep meditation without trying. It is a beautiful place to go to.
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beachnut
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USA
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Posted - 03/09/2010 : 11:00:44 PM
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I did have the opportunity to float a few times.. I have to admit. I LOVED it.
I did it once under the influence of shrooms.. it was one of the most pleasurable memories I have.
Have to echo the worry with K. I have read some pretty nasty wd's from them. I have never ingested them so I only know what I read. I do know of a few who used K and still on it today.. very expensive.
I am not one to preach... I did suffer thru my wd off sub. No fun, paws nearly took me out. Now that its behind me..never want it to return. The only way I can do that is stay away from anything that hits those Mu's/kappa's etc. I know for me if I awaken them I will be off an running. Too old now (not as old as Arlene) to ever go thru it again. I will do anything to ensure this never happens. If I have to experience iboga yrly I would. Hope I don't have to. One day I must stand on my own two feet.
Sub was the only dope I could wean off of. Even with Iboga one must go thru the learning process of living dope free. One still has to experience the healing process. I have found there really is no easy way out. We must pay the piper now or later. To add something that is addictive is throwing water on grease fire.
I do wish you luck... hope there is some one you have to be accountable too. I have learn that with anything that feed the Mu's.. I can not be trusted.
May I suggest omega 3's for brain healing, vits and good healthy food. Of course exercise but I did lack in that department myself. IT sucks when its difficult to move the legs and one says to excerise...wanted to smack a folks for even suggesting it.
Keep posting. |
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arlenewla
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Posted - 03/10/2010 : 12:12:54 AM
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May I suggest omega 3's for brain healing, vits and good healthy food. Of course exercise but I did lack in that department myself. IT sucks when its difficult to move the legs and one says to excerise...wanted to smack a folks for even suggesting it.
Yeah, babes...I was probably one of those people you wanted to smack. 
Check this site out. Dr. David Arneson is a well respected authority in kicking MMT. His article is entitled No Free Lunch. Its got a lot of great information in it about supplements & eating.
Just substitute the word Sub and the premise is same.
http://www.dpeg.org/methadone_withdrawal.html |
Arlene F.
Exodus from Slavery; 12-25-02 |
Edited by - arlenewla on 03/10/2010 12:13:44 AM |
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Not a 12 stepper
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Posted - 03/10/2010 : 02:08:47 AM
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Damn Arlene, when did you start posting Arneson links?
Calling him a doctor, is using the term very loosely. Same with the "well respected", and "authority" claims.
He's good at lying, and blowing his own horn, to try and get people into his riverhouse detox.
These days, nearly everyone knows it's a whole hell of a lot easier to get off methadone, by tapering slowly, down to a low dose before jumping.
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Not a 12 stepper
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South Sandwich Islands
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Posted - 03/10/2010 : 02:19:13 AM
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Originally posted by floater
I cant get below 2mg. no matter how hard i try. So three days ago I stopped taking the sub. I had some SAO laying around so I took those for two days until I ran out. Now I have a bunch ok Kratom leaf that I am going to take for around 60 days. I am not going to take ANY extracts at all just leaf. This is the only way I can do it I feel powerless to the sub. I plan on tapering the Kratom as much as I can. From what I have read the withdrawals from the Kratom are not as bad as the ones from the sub. I can tolerate several bad days, but not weeks of them. I know Kratom is a touchy subject on this board that is why I posted it here, and not in the main forum. Any advice would be much appreciated.
Congrats on jumping off sub.
I can't comment much on Kratom, since I've never used it, but most people that jump off opiate maintenance do have weeks of mild withdrawal, regardless of what they use for "comfort".
I went through 6 weeks, of feeling "less than" after tapering, and jumping off methadone. I know it sounds like a long time, to someone who recently jumped. But in hindsight, it wasn't that long at all. Especially, considering the years, and years that I took opiates every day...
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arlenewla
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Posted - 03/10/2010 : 11:29:30 AM
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These days, nearly everyone knows it's a whole hell of a lot easier to get off methadone, by tapering slowly, down to a low dose before jumping.
Get a grip, Not 12.
If you re-read the post with the link, you will note that I wasn't discussing the how to's of taper.
It was about vitamins, supplements & diet & a segue from Bonita's advice re Omega 3.
My opinion remains the same...its great information. |
Arlene F.
Exodus from Slavery; 12-25-02 |
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Not a 12 stepper
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Posted - 03/10/2010 : 3:20:39 PM
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When you give big props to Arneson, and his article/advertisement that you linked to, then you should actually read it Arlene.
No amount of vitamins, supplements & diet are going to help someone who does a ct jump from 150mg of methadone.
It's bogus information.
I think it's great to have this area called "fun stuff/supplements", because in my opinion, supplements are a joke (or scam) when someone is using them to try to escape opiate withdrawal.
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kbear
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Posted - 03/10/2010 : 9:26:40 PM
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Originally posted by smelllibear
And from i read the kratom seems to mess people's lives...
With suboxone the withdrawals linger on for a while albeit minor or intense so basically your going to feel the same 3 weeks down the line as you did on the first week so is it really worth taking the kratom for a week?...even with kratom you still feel really shit..trust me i tried it...just look at some people who tried it yet still felt miserable so what difference is that going to make...your better off taking clonidine...i seen too many people mess up their lives over kratom...
p.s could floater be kellibear?...if not then i do apologise...its just that this individual has come on as many screen names and trying to promote her so called miricle cure lol...only so that this indiviual dont feel alone...anyway i wont personally try it...in my opinion its worser then a benzo....
do you accuse every new member of being me? kind of paranoid aren't ya? good luck to you floater, sounds like you have a pretty good plan... |
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620tcat
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Posted - 03/10/2010 : 11:37:46 PM
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do you accuse every new member of being me? kind of paranoid aren't ya? good luck to you floater, sounds like you have a pretty good plan...
Kbear remember your agreement to never post here again.
This site is dedicated to people trying QUIT opiates.
Many members have shared with me what you are really all about - dealing Kratom.
It's time to move on and my advice to you is work on fixing what is wrong with you, your "advice" is not wanted here anymore. You are a sham. |
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620tcat
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Posted - 03/10/2010 : 11:53:03 PM
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I am a troll with multipul personalities
Smelli, just wanted to say congratulations, you are tied with KB !!
Tied with "worst human to ever log on to subsux."
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floater
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Posted - 03/10/2010 : 11:57:07 PM
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| I have 70 days worth of Sub. left, at my current rate of usage. I want to flush it so bad I just cant. Im on day 4 of switching to SAO I jumped at 2mg. Im going to do SAO for 10-15 days and then the kratom for a while. I NEED to flush it I just cant, but I want to sooo bad because then I will be committed. Im just trying to work up the courage. |
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